Z-Suite 1.6 -- MAXIMUM Infill VS FULL Infill

Z-SUITE/Firmware General Discussion
#1

So i awaited this update because of the rumors of a higher infill.

You can now find a "MAXIMUM" infill in the new version of z-suite. But this

seems only to be an alias for the previous FULL infill. 

I did a testt with a 100mm cube, same results, take a look at the screens.

i usually say ohhhhjeeee in german for such situations, so:

ohje @ zortrax, very disappointing !

why change the name ?

its like throwing a VIRTUAL bone to your dog

Marcin pointed out, that the MAXIMUM infill behaves otherwise under HIGH SPEED !!! :-D

I added a new screen !

Lucian

#2

I think "maximum" is better than than "full", because "full" suggested that the infill itself was full... a 100% solid, but really meant the greatest amount of infill less than a solid.

I wonder if they are still planning on a 100% infill option or not, it was in testing a few months ago.

#3

maximum sounds a lot like the end of the line for an infill

i hope this is some kind of mistake, would be interesting if this is the sam on OSX

#4

i hope this update does not affect the polish soccer team @ the EM

#5

maximum sounds a lot like the end of the line for an infill

i hope this is some kind of mistake, would be interesting if this is the sam on OSX

It does kinda sound like that... if true.... (ಥ‸ಥ)

#6

Same Maximum nonsense in OSX along with more bugs......  sigh.......

G.

#7

Infills changes are for HIGH print speed only.

#8

YES INDEED, it is about 50% more infill. Take a look at the picture !

 

So with:

Z-Suite 1.5.0.2 FULL infill creates a cube with 607g.

Z-Suite 1.6 MAXIUM infill and slow speed creates a cube with 607g.

Z-Suite 1.6 MAXIUM infill and HIGH speed creates a cube with 893g.

 

Thank you Marcin !

 

#9

My results are a little different, with a slight increase of material in high speed mode and slight increase in print times (which is fine with me if it printers cleaner)

zabs 0.09 support lite

1.5.0.2 full + high speed = 35g, 4h25m

1.5.0.2 full + normal speed = 31g, 5h10m

1.6.0, Maximum + high speed = 36g, 4h31m

1.6.0, Maximum + normal speed = 31g, 5h18m

Slicing performance is way better btw

#10

@chunky - what form did you try the test on ?

if there is a lot of space that is already with an high infill (thin walls or so) it wont get much denser

with MAX + HIGH

#11

I can't show the part due to NDA with client.

Approximately 50% of the mass was from raft and walls (19g), the remaining was infill. So for that part, there was a (36-19)/(35-19)*100=6% increase in infill between 1.6.0 and 1.5.0.2  in high speed mode max fill.

Tried it on a much larger part

1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed  = 1d 2h 48m  281g

1.6.0    Full / highspeed  = 1d 3h 40m  297g

Raft+Wall volume = 62g

(297-62)/(281-62)*100 = 7% increase of infill

Did the 100mm box Lucian did, I got

1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed = 829g

1.6.0    Full / highspeed = 894g

Raft+walls = 54g

(894-54)/(829-54)*100= 8% increase of infill

Also, I noticed running different versions of z-suite at the same time in Windows 10, the settings unexpectedly interact between the two. It's weirder with 1.5.0.2 and 1.6.0 because setting "Full" in 1.5.02 sets the infill to "High" in 1.6.0.  Setting "Maximum" in 1.6.0 deselects the infill setting (blank) in 1.5.0.2 and defaults to a "Full" print. 

#12

I can't show the part due to NDA with client.

Approximately 50% of the mass was from raft and walls (19g), the remaining was infill. So for that part, there was a (36-19)/(35-19)*100=6% increase in infill between 1.6.0 and 1.5.0.2  in high speed mode max fill.

Tried it on a much larger part

1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed  = 1d 2h 48m  281g

1.6.0    Full / highspeed  = 1d 3h 40m  297g

Raft+Wall volume = 62g

(297-62)/(281-62)*100 = 7% increase of infill

Did the 100mm box Lucian did, I got

1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed = 829g

1.6.0    Full / highspeed = 894g

Raft+walls = 54g

(894-54)/(829-54)*100= 8% increase of infill

Also, I noticed running different versions of z-suite at the same time in Windows 10, the settings unexpectedly interact between the two. It's weirder with 1.5.0.2 and 1.6.0 because setting "Full" in 1.5.02 sets the infill to "High" in 1.6.0.  Setting "Maximum" in 1.6.0 deselects the infill setting (blank) in 1.5.0.2 and defaults to a "Full" print. 

No one said thats going to be huge increasing of infill, step by step :( Giving it more % most of the time ended with warped/cracked print. 

As for two different versions running together, its because common Registry entries, infill is going crazy due to numbering:

You can check it by yourself:

- Open 1.6.0

- Slice something with e.g shell infill

- Close zsuite

- Run -> Regedit.exe

- HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Zortrax\M200\Infill

Repeat changing infill and see how it behaves. 

#13

@marcin, were the images i added removed ??

@ChunkyPastaSauce I do not understand why we have a difference in weight (1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed = 829g VERSUS my Z-Suite 1.5.0.2 FULL 607g.) ? Can you maybe explain marcin ??

#14

@marcin, were the images i added removed ??

@ChunkyPastaSauce I do not understand why we have a difference in weight (1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed = 829g VERSUS my Z-Suite 1.5.0.2 FULL 607g.) ? Can you maybe explain marcin ??

I have no idea what happened to images :(

Regarding tests, it has to be some issue with your test, 1502 / high / full creates 100x100 & >850g cube. 

#15

No one said thats going to be huge increasing of infill, step by step :( Giving it more % most of the time ended with warped/cracked print.

Sounds good, wasn't complaining, just wanted to know difference so know what to expect.

Do think it would still be good to have a "expert / experimentalist" mode where one can increase the perimeter count or set the infill to 100%; some parts are definitely compatible.

As for two different versions running together, its because common Registry entries, infill is going crazy due to numbering:

You can check it by yourself:

- Open 1.6.0

- Slice something with e.g shell infill

- Close zsuite

- Run -> Regedit.exe

- HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Zortrax\M200\Infill

Repeat changing infill and see how it behaves. 

I see, thanks!

#16

@marcin, were the images i added removed ??

@ChunkyPastaSauce I do not understand why we have a difference in weight (1.5.0.2 Full / highspeed = 829g VERSUS my Z-Suite 1.5.0.2 FULL 607g.) ? Can you maybe explain marcin ??

There was a forum system maintenance between when you posted and now, maybe lost during then.  Picture attachments wont open in other threads as well

For mass difference, I compared high speed 1.6.0 vs high speed 1.5.0.2, where there is a ~8% difference for the cube (for max fill, 0.09 layer height, z-abs).    

The normal speed setting has the much lower infill you found (~607g), but is the same between 1.6.0 and 1.5.0.2