Hi
I got this torture test file from a guy on youtube with channel name: makers muse.
when loading this file into my z-suite I found the thin column was missing!! . I had similar problem before where walls .8 mm thick were printed as 1.5 mm thick.
I think that z-suite should have the ability to print such fine details. I hope that this is fixed in upcoming patches.
please find file attached if u want to see for ur self.3003
You can print single point with resolution 0.4mm, but in order to print a wall, its required to make at least two rounds (2x 0.4mm) so minimum wall thickness is 0,8mm. Everything <=0,4mm will be skipped by Z-Suite. However if you resize that STL to 110% in Z-Suite, you'll see that the wall is still there.
You can print single point with resolution 0.4mm, but in order to print a wall, its required to make at least two rounds (2x 0.4mm) so minimum wall thickness is 0,8mm. Everything <=0,4mm will be skipped by Z-Suite. However if you resize that STL to 110% in Z-Suite, you'll see that the wall is still there.
Unless the code was changed not so long ago this is incorrect. I did a test for a customer a few months back and found that Z-Suite will recognize a 400µ wall without issue. The test was to show that the printer cannot print below a threshold because his organic model dipped below 400µ and caused gaps. So I shot up Inventor and extruded 2 walls with the first being 390µ and the second being 410µ. I then took those into Z-Suite and sliced them on the same plate, sure enough the 410µ stayed while the 390µ did not. Will the printer print the wall as it stands (no pun intended) is not of my concern right now. See attached pictures.
(yes I looked up the code for "µ")
-NS
Unless the code was changed not so long ago this is incorrect. I did a test for a customer a few months back and found that Z-Suite will recognize a 400µ wall without issue. The test was to show that the printer cannot print below a threshold because his organic model dipped below 400µ and caused gaps. So I shot up Inventor and extruded 2 walls with the first being 390µ and the second being 410µ. I then took those into Z-Suite and sliced them on the same plate, sure enough the 410µ stayed while the 390µ did not. Will the printer print the wall as it stands (no pun intended) is not of my concern right now. See attached pictures.
(yes I looked up the code for "µ")
-NS
Interesting is that Z-Suite sometimes will slice 400µ wall but it should not. However, it wont be printed properly and after all, the wall will be around 800µ thick.
That part about 390/410µ walls more or less confirms what I said before.
You can print single point with resolution 0.4mm, but in order to print a wall, its required to make at least two rounds (2x 0.4mm) so minimum wall thickness is 0,8mm. Everything <=0,4mm will be skipped by Z-Suite. However if you resize that STL to 110% in Z-Suite, you'll see that the wall is still there.
I think it makes since given the nozzle size. However, I once tried printing a piece with holes at the edges having .8 mm thick walls but the actual print came out to be 1.5 mm thick.l will search for that file and post it here when I have time.
@Marcin
You are right, the software will slice a 400µ wall into 2 walls that totals to around 850µ because of a slight gap in the stepping. I do get why the second wall is created but then this begs the question "why can the printer set such close walls together but not put anything in between the walls if they are separated by 1mm or more?"
-NS
File to test print attached
You can print single point with resolution 0.4mm, but in order to print a wall, its required to make at least two rounds (2x 0.4mm) so minimum wall thickness is 0,8mm. Everything <=0,4mm will be skipped by Z-Suite. However if you resize that STL to 110% in Z-Suite, you'll see that the wall is still there.
Hi Marcin,
That was the purpose of my recent post about the minimum printing thickness : http://forum.zortrax.com/index.php?/topic/2511-minimum-printing-thickness-with-z-suite/
Your answer remain the same as the printer "need" to make two passes (or rounds) of 0,4mm in each way to print the thinnest wall... I know very little and i am far to be an expert that's the reason i chosen the Zortrax for its simplicity of use, but... What i can see with my eyes is the printer is capable to print really thin walls in just "one" and "single" pass when making the supports or inner shells. The printer seems forced to make two rounds when printing the outer shells.... Am i wrong???
So, at the end, this is only programming, right??? The printer is capable of really thin walls and it demonstrates it when printing inner shells and supports, so why wouldn’t be possible an option in the Z-Suit program that allows users to print really thin sections with only one pass or round print???
I am working with thin detailed models and i chosen the M200 with the promise of the 25 Microns layer that not seems to come in the near future… but this “real” option of single pass printing to archive really thin walls is totally feasible and would make the M200 one of the best 3D printing machine on the market.
Again, thank you for all the work.
JC
Hi,
I made a quick print test some time ago and here is the result. I printed this little 3D grid model made from 0.8mm thick elements with 1mm spacing. I printed it om my Z200 with Z-Ultrat filament(Ivory), 0,9 layer, Full-Infill, Normal Speed and Auto-Fan… I made the same print test on an equivalent midrange 3D printer like the BQ Witbox 1 at 1mm layer resolution, 100% infill, normal speed and all the parameters set to “Normal”…
Understand that i am a bit frustrated to see that my printer didn't match the quality print of a similar or maybe a lower quality printer like the BQ.... just because engineer decided that the M200 had to make 2 passes on the same line and double the wall thickness when a single pass is enough... :(
Would it be possible to do something to make “Single Pass” printing option a reality??? THANK YOU…
Purpose of my post about minimum printing thickness : http://forum.zortrax.com/index.php?/topic/2511-minimum-printing-thickness-with-z-suite/
Funny story: I'd been printing a specific part on the M200 for months, and was happy with the results. I decided to try it on another printer I recently acquired, but the print had some fine details on it that were not present on the M200 prints. "Hey, what is that stuff, it's not supposed to be there!" I said. Then I checked the model more carefully, and haha, they were supposed to be there all along, but the M200 never printed them.
Funny story: I'd been printing a specific part on the M200 for months, and was happy with the results. I decided to try it on another printer I recently acquired, but the print had some fine details on it that were not present on the M200 prints. "Hey, what is that stuff, it's not supposed to be there!" I said. Then I checked the model more carefully, and haha, they were supposed to be there all along, but the M200 never printed them.
Photos!
Aha, so I wasn't exaggerating after all.
@zortrax, any updates on thin walls? A friend of mine has designed a display holder with 0.5mm walls that need to fit tight. The slicer draws it with a single line but it gets printed with a double. And some parts of the wall have a wobly top surface that measure around 1.3mm. So he went to a different friend with an ultimaker 3 and he got his part perfect from the first try. So that was kind of embarrassing. I use the 1.11.3 z suite and latest firmware. The printer is maintained and prints larger pieces perfectly.