Just saw the new store for Europe. I am amazed about the prices and the difference with the international store.
Filament is 27 euros = $36.90 (international price - $19.00 )
Printer is 1595 euro = $2181.80 (international price: $1899 )
The nicely priced filament was one of the reasons I bought the Zortrax and now it is almost doubled?
This is a mistake right?
Regards, Rob.
It’s simple, just calculate as Rafal wrote:
You’re lucky. Things could be worst. I ordered this week a Zortrax, plus some filament spools. Total amount of $2454. I am in Brazil… 60% import taxes plus 20% VAT: $4368!
Kind Regards, Angelo
[quote name=venosa]You’re lucky. Things could be worst. I ordered this week a Zortrax, plus some filament spools. Total amount of $2454. I am in Brazil… 60% import taxes plus 20% VAT: $4368!
Kind Regards, Angelo
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How did you estimate the import taxes ?
This is the regular import taxes in Brazil, %60 FOB. Merchandise price plus shipment. And over this – if the parcel is sent by Couriers – we have more %20 ICMS (impost over merchandise “circulation”, sorry I’m not sure how to translate).
Price at the end will be almost the double! And all the money collected by the State will go to the drain. A poor rich country.
Then, it will depend on the proforma invoice sent within the documents. I understand why all Americans backers got a 400usd proforma invoice in the shipping documents. 
Yes, but only if customs aren’t picky. Usually they do the homework, just some googleing.
The numbers i wrote above are what I’m expecting to pay in the worst scenario.
If they (Zortrax) send a palatable invoice and the customs clerk is a good person perhaps I’ll pay a little less.
What I’m just saying is that in Brazil we pay a lot more in taxes then in Europe (and in Europe this is already heavy). And the State delivers less in return.
[quote name=nizzy]It’s simple, just calculate as Rafal wrote:
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It is not clear here: So there is an invoice for 14 euros, And the 8 euros? where does that come from, it does not state in the explenation besides “we paid 8 euros”.
You are not paying twice for the ABS, so no it is not clear here.
And once it is in the EU, there is no duties any more: free travel of goods and person, remember? We can thank the EU for that :).
But adding VAT of 23% makes 27 out of 22 euros. No duties needed here.
I can not check how much transportation costs come to this, as I can not add anything to my shopping basket in the shop, looks like a bug.
Regards, Rob.
[quote name=bluevoid]I can not check how much transportation costs come to this, as I can not add anything to my shopping basket in the shop, looks like a bug.
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Bug appeared in product page Z-ABS for Zortrax owners only in European Store. Fixed.
Thanks Nizzy.
Can you also add the terms with or without VAT, on all the prices ? This would be more clear for every new customers who comes on the shops.
VAT 23% if you import any good to Europe from outside Europe
That’s a good idea, actually. Because the importation tax in France for all products coming from China are “only” 5%. So that would do the trick.
At least, I will try once I finish all my actual filaments. 
[quote name=pilou74]Thanks Nizzy.
Can you also add the terms with or without VAT, on all the prices ? This would be more clear for every new customers who comes on the shops.
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We will work on it on Monday
Thanks Nizzy, now the European shop works.
So now I can see that to 27 euro price is excluding VAT and excluding shipping. So VAT is charged twice to the end customer? The idea of VAT is that end-customers pay VAT once and that companies get their VAT back.
Don’t get me wrong here, I am not asking you to sell the Z-ABS without any profit. Zortrax delivers great quality and just like any company it needs and deserves a healthy profit to survive.
So lets skip the details here, have a look at it from the end customers perspective:
Ordering 6 kg ABS to the Netherlands using the cheapest delivery option = 6* 27 euro + 23 % VAT + 26 euro shipping = 226 euros. Gives a price of 37.6 euros per KG.
Ordering international is way cheaper: same batch : 180 dollar for the 6, including shipping, so that is 130 euros. Yes there will be import taxes, lets say it is 20 euros. So end price is: 150 euros/6=25 euros per Kg.
To be honest: pricing this way, the filament part of the European shop is DOA. The way it is now it is not competitive and will produce a lot of questions from european customers.
European customers (if not scared away) will, in the end, order international or buy another brand of ABS, the price difference is just too big. That is not helping the Zortrax brand imo.
Regards, Rob.
Il made the same arithmetic, totally agree with you Bluevoid.
Regards
Just ordered every color in the international store, see how that goes.
Let us know how it goes. It will depend a lot on the Netherlands customs, I guess.
What is the total of your order ?
[quote name=bluevoid]Thanks Nizzy, now the European shop works.
So now I can see that to 27 euro price is excluding VAT and excluding shipping. So VAT is charged twice to the end customer? The idea of VAT is that end-customers pay VAT once and that companies get their VAT back.
Don’t get me wrong here, I am not asking you to sell the Z-ABS without any profit. Zortrax delivers great quality and just like any company it needs and deserves a healthy profit to survive.
So lets skip the details here, have a look at it from the end customers perspective:
Ordering 6 kg ABS to the Netherlands using the cheapest delivery option = 6* 27 euro + 23 % VAT + 26 euro shipping = 226 euros. Gives a price of 37.6 euros per KG.
Ordering international is way cheaper: same batch : 180 dollar for the 6, including shipping, so that is 130 euros. Yes there will be import taxes, lets say it is 20 euros. So end price is: 150 euros/6=25 euros per Kg.
To be honest: pricing this way, the filament part of the European shop is DOA. The way it is now it is not competitive and will produce a lot of questions from european customers.
European customers (if not scared away) will, in the end, order international or buy another brand of ABS, the price difference is just too big. That is not helping the Zortrax brand imo.
Regards, Rob.
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You are forgetting that you would need to pay VAT as well if you go beyond your country “VAT threshold”. So your calculation would be 130 Euro + 10-20 Import Duty = 150 + 23%? So about Euro 35 for VAT. So about Euro 185,- IF you hit the VAT threshold + fee to the postal office/DHL for the customs clearance. That might be another 10-20 Euro. So it is not quite so simple.
You are right, it is not that simple. I looked it up and the import duties threshold is 150 Euros. There seems to be no threshold for VAT. Total of order is 208 dollar, just above 150 Euros.
To make it more complex: my company will probably get the paid VAT back, as I paid that in the Netherlands. Getting back the VAT when ordering in Poland is possible only when exceeding 1500 Euros VAT, so: impossible for me.
At most I pay VAT once and I may be able to get that back, will have to lookup the rulings about that. Extra handling cost I did not calculate. Still: the cost will be less than the 94 Euros difference in ordering international and the EU store.
Will let you know when the import duties bill comes, can take weeks after the delivery I noticed before.
[quote name=bluevoid]You are right, it is not that simple. I looked it up and the import duties threshold is 150 Euros. There seems to be no threshold for VAT. Total of order is 208 dollar, just above 150 Euros.
To make it more complex: my company will probably get the paid VAT back, as I paid that in the Netherlands. Getting back the VAT when ordering in Poland is possible only when exceeding 1500 Euros VAT, so: impossible for me.
At most I pay VAT once and I may be able to get that back, will have to lookup the rulings about that. Extra handling cost I did not calculate. Still: the cost will be less than the 94 Euros difference in ordering international and the EU store.
Will let you know when the import duties bill comes, can take weeks after the delivery I noticed before.
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If you have a Euro VAT number - Zortrax Europe store should be able to ship to you VAT free - (if shipped to EU business)
Just my 2 cent - For me it is 1-2 Euro cheaper to order 6 Spools from the China then from Poland.
I have a EU vat number so the calculation goes like this
China: 6*$19 = $114 then comes $66 in porto getting at $180. Then comes 25% vat + $29 for import, landing a total of = $254 (Danish limit is $274)
Poland: 6*27 = 162 Euro Then comes 27 in porto getting to a total of 189euro = $258
So buying from China without vat deduktion or any other discount is $4 cheaper than buying from Poland with a EU vat number…
I am with bluevoid that Zortrax as a company have to make some profit, but if I didn’t have a EU vat number it would be way more exepensive ordering the fillament from Poland even though Poland is 6000km closer than China ;).
Maby I am getting something wrong here, I am not an expert by any means so plz correct me if I have gotten anything backwards.