Zortrax M300! :)


#1

Check it out:  

https://zortrax.com/printers/zortrax-m300/

http://www.3ders.org/articles/20160628-zortrax-reveals-bigger-and-better-m300-3d-printer-in-amsterdam.html

https://zortrax.com/blog/its-a-big-thing-zortrax-m300-launched-at-the-am-europe-2016/

https://3dprint.com/140189/zortrax-new-m300-3d-printer/

http://www.3dprintingbusiness.directory/zortrax-launches-new-m300-3d-printer-priced-at-e5000/


#2

Nice, I hope they get it out there soon


#3

Hm, Raise N2 size ;)

No Z-ABS anymore though which I guess is the price to pay for the 300x300x300 build volume.

Still I wonder if it wouldn't have made more sense to use a full enclosure (and heated chamber) instead of dropping Z-ABS.

While probably not so important for the perfboard+raft approach, a multi-point bed calibration like in the 3DGence

or Prusa i3 Mk2 wouldn't have hurt at this size I guess.

I also wonder if a dual ball-screw Z axis (like on the N2) wouldn't be a better choice instead of the cantilever design.

Surely great for lots of people, still hoped for something more compact with just one extended size (like 250x200x200)

and maybe a redesign of the perfboard connectors.

Anyway, let's see what this beast will cost.


#4

If I hadn't had all the trouble I'd had recently, and if they answered my calls for help when I needed them (which they STILL haven't), I'd have bought one or more of these.

Where I stand at the moment is that I won't be buying another Z printer.

Which is a shame as I would've jumped on one of these.

Guess I'll have to consider the Raise or an UP Box or something else.


#5

I wouldn't worry about the single ballscrew cantilever design. Been used for a long long time in high precision milling machines. Structure has to be sufficiently stiff to do it, but m200 is a pretty rigid machine for a printer, and zortax has excellent guidance from their m200 so will probably be fine. Calibration method should also be fine, assuming good manufacturing tolerance on the bed and xy motion stage (xy plane flatness, also z sag). From the photo, looks like perfboard connectors have been redesigned (trade show photo still shows the micro connector). Heated build chamber was the first thing I looked for when I saw m300 announcement today....probably would have been a huge differentiator from other larger printers. Z-ABS..Z-PCABS is missing as well, but both of those materials are iffy for larger parts though - especially pcabs (but would have been fine for 'vertical' prints, batched prints, and well designed larger prints). Z-abs is awesome for a lot of stuff though, and had good colors/texture.  According to 3dprint.com (4th link on post), estimate price is around ~5000 (euro usd?).


#6

Phew, $5000 seems to be quite a surcharge for "just" an upscaled version. The m200 is a reasonably priced machine - actually it's even quite a bargain compared to an Utimaker.

So I would have assumed/hoped that the price would be closer to $3000 to compete with an N2. After all, they make most of their money by selling filament.


#7

$5k seriously? April fools just passed.

I'm still rolling from the hilariously priced soluble material for the Inventure, and now this. you guys are a riot!


#8

I was very excited about the M300 until I heard the ridiculous pricing. There are far too many attractive alternatives at that price - Fusion3D, Stacker, N2, and others. Come on, Zortrax get real. You stumbled badly with Inventure, you need to come out swinging now and go head-to-head with the competition.


#9

step 1: make awesome product.

step 2: milk more cash from the hype.

step 3: push people to seek out cheaper and better alternative.

good job!


#10

I think there is a bit of psychology involved in the understand of what you can afford (or not). If 5000 euro will be the official price, then it's not of interest to me. If it was say 3000 euro, it would be more like "I already have the M200, it works well, I don't really need the M300". And then it would be just too tempting, I'll just sell the M200 for 1000 euros, and buy the new M300. But let's just wait and see what the price really will be!


#11

Meh. This just gives me more of a reason to move forward with a scratch-built 600x600x900mm CoreXY printer.


#12

Somewhat boring video from the Additive Manufacturing Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkMc937HGIw

Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I doubt that the $5k price tag can be serious. It was never officially stated anyway.

I don’t see anything that would justify a price even remotely close to that. Even if it was a fully enclosed dual ball-screw setup with Hepa filter and heated chamber and some other technical improvements, a price far above $3500 seems hard to justify. But without any improvement but the size and the included side panels, even $3k is somewhat ambitious. More so until it’s clear that the simple upscaling has no negative impact on the print quality.

Heck, $5000 would be about 4483€ which is already insane, but usually Dollar prices are stated without VAT, so adding a 20% VAT (differs between EU countries) this would end at 5380€ which is more than three times the price of an m200.

They can't be that crazy...


#13

Heck, $5000 would be about 4483€ which is already insane, but usually Dollar prices are stated without VAT, so adding a 20% VAT (differs between EU countries) this would end at 5380€ which is more than three times the price of an m200.

They can't be that crazy...

they can't be that crazy? Z-Support $89.00USD remember? Yes, They are that crazy!


#14

If I hadn't had all the trouble I'd had recently, and if they answered my calls for help when I needed them (which they STILL haven't), I'd have bought one or more of these.

Where I stand at the moment is that I won't be buying another Z printer.

Which is a shame as I would've jumped on one of these.

Guess I'll have to consider the Raise or an UP Box or something else.

can the upbox or raise match the print quality of zortrax?


#15

Raise with tweeking will match just about any printer. (With the proper filament and time adjusting). When they say "We just kept everything the same and made it bigger" I dont see a justification for 5K and they have not officially announced the price AFAIK. So I would hold judgement on that front for now.

-NS


#16

can the upbox or raise match the print quality of zortrax?

Pretty much yes to the UP, don't know about the Raise.

I'm just annoyed with them regarding this whole motherboard debarcle that has left me with a machine on the floor for months now.

Other than that I'd probably pay 5000AUD for a bigger Zortrax.

Meh. This just gives me more of a reason to move forward with a scratch-built 600x600x900mm CoreXY printer.

That's where I'm at.

I'm going a bit more modestly at 300x300x600, and it'll probably take me a couple of years, but I'm doing it.

I'm also talking to the designer of the "Duet" open source motherboard about converting my busted M200 to run that board, which he assures me will be no big deal to do.

Just waiting for the latest Duet WIFI board to be fully released and I'm straight into that.


#17

Letting aside where this $5000 statement came from and if it's true or not, It's kinda unlikely that Australian Dollars where meant.

Other than that I'd probably pay 5000AUD for a bigger Zortrax.

#18

Letting aside where this $5000 statement came from and if it's true or not, It's kinda unlikely that Australian Dollars where meant.

I do realize that.

I said that's what I'd probably pay.

And yes, there's a bit of guesswork going on about the price for sure.


#19

I won't be buying another Zortrax again.  Next purchase will be a Delta Wasp or Ultimaker 2+ Extended.  At least I have a choice of slicing software to use and above all a assortment of filaments to choose from....

G.


#20

I won't be buying another Zortrax again.  Next purchase will be a Delta Wasp or Ultimaker 2+ Extended.  At least I have a choice of slicing software to use and above all a assortment of filaments to choose from....

G.

IMHO neither of those will go close to the print quality of the Z slicer.

Depends what your own needs are.